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 by Syp, Level 43
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In reflection, I may have given some folks the wrong impression with my article the other day, and I wanted to clarify. I'm not quitting the game, going on sabbatical or anything like that. My sub is active and most likely will remain so for the indefinite future. I'm not going to stop blogging about WAR, either. If I truly thought the game was a lost cause or not fun at all, I'd be out of here in a jiffy -- but that's not the case. I was merely explaining why I am pulling back in both gaming and blogging for the time being, to be as up front and honest as possible.Warhammer is what it is, no matter what we may have wanted it to be, envisioned it to be in the hype leading up to release or in the months that followed. Yes, future additions will alter the game in some form, but the core is in place and you get what you see. For some players, it wasn't enough, and that's fair. For others, they're loving it, WAR is their home, and they're boggled that others complained -- also fair. There's the wait-and-see crowd, the frothy ranters and the lovestruck fanboys. You get all of these with every MMO in varying quantities.
Snafzg and I talked the other day about our pre-launch expectations, and in a sense, how neither one of us were satisfied by the game in fact once we experienced it. I think that's true for anyone who's greatly anticipating something, especially when you're spoon-fed information and then your imagination and desires takes over from there. I wish I could easily bottle what I thought WAR was going to be and lay it out for you, but that'd be near-impossible and probably not interesting at all to read. Suffice to say, it's one of the casualties of hype, and you learn to live with it.
I'm quite content to watch this game grow and develop, and there's more than a glimmer of hope here -- there's a kicking, awesome community, gameplay elements that are stellar, and a flavor that you can't quite find anywhere else. It's a bit disheartening that the rise and fall and rise and fall of hope and despair hasn't leveled off to something a bit more stable at this point so we can, y'know, just enjoy the game without all the surrounding drama, but perhaps that's soon to come as well.
And while I really do appreciate the comments, by no means tie your interest to WAR on what I say or do. I write for fun, to share a passion and to persuade, but not to boss or lead. If you're having a great time in WAR but read negative words here or elsewhere that make you doubt your enjoyment, then shrug that off (or just don't read it!) and play what makes you happy. If you're leaving or have left WAR for whatever reason, give a moment's consideration to how you always felt when you were liking a game and a sour grape started spilling venom in a forum or to you directly -- gaming shouldn't be "misery loves company", just peacefully go your own way, and be considerate of those who don't see things your way.
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BVD Mar 27, 2009 at 9:00 am
+1 votes
Blargh.
I don't know if it's my work computer, but the layout for Waaagh! has been messed up the past few days. Makes posting a confusing exercise to say the least!
Not having played WAR all week, I decided to dedicate a good 5 hours to it last night. Once again I spent most of my time trying to level up my Warrior Priest and my KoBS in the T2 lakes. My WP hit renown 18, which allowed me to equip all my lovely purple items I had worked so hard to get. At first I was pretty elated, but that quickly died off.
Switch to my KoBS. Same old, same old of grinding the RvR lakes and arguing with people in warbands on whether or not to hit the keeps when we were only at 70% strength. A somewhat evenly matched encounter with Destro occurred in the Shadowlands and Ellyrion proved to be fun (since I find it rare to find "fair fights" in the RvR lakes), but the Destro zergball showed up a few minutes later and rolled us all the way back to the warcamp, spoiling the fun. Boo-urns.
We did end up defending the keep in Barak Varr for a good 20 minutes before Destro got the picture, turned tail and ran. That was actually quite a bit of fun. And when they came back for a second spanking, I thought it to be still pretty fun though it started to lose it's allure - as a tank, I'd just jump out the front door, hit a few things, and then jump back inside to be healed. Everything else I did though last night felt pretty lackluster.
I don't know - maybe I'm missing something? Maybe I shouldn't be dodging the scenarios? Maybe I shouldn't be a gear s-l-u-t and grind so much for purple items that really don't change my stats all that much? Maybe I shouldn't be ignoring the backstory around the quests I accept? Maybe I shouldn't be so worried about the doom & gloom I read on Warhammer Online forums about T4 and city sieges? Maybe I shouldn't get upset about gold-bag crazy players who constantly insist on keep raids as opposed to defending keeps or taking BO's?
The problem is, if I didn't do all those things I'm not sure what I'd do when I played Warhammer Online. After last night, I felt like I got to the end of my rope... it's not that I hate the game (though there are a lot of things I'd change if I was in charge), it's just that I think I'm having a hard time finding other like-minded players out there, as well as burning out and losing interest. Most of the toons I have leveled up to the mid-teen / early 20's levels are starting to bore me, and I've barely touched the low-level toons I started up the other week (Choppa, Slayer, Archmage, Marauder) because it's so daunting to think of all the effort it's going to take to level them up, even to level 20.
Perhaps I'll give'er hell tonight and maybe on Sunday, but after that I'm not sure if I can keep it up until my originally planed sub-cancellation date of early May. Again, not try to point any fingers or place any blame... just sad to feel like, when it comes to Warhammer Online, I've been washed over by a wave of apathy
Whoops, sorry - this turned into another ridiculously long comment... once I start writing, it just seems to flow! Anyways, hope too many people aren't feeling the same way I am, as I hope if I do make a return to WAR in the future there will still be a good community to come back to.
I don't know if it's my work computer, but the layout for Waaagh! has been messed up the past few days. Makes posting a confusing exercise to say the least!
Not having played WAR all week, I decided to dedicate a good 5 hours to it last night. Once again I spent most of my time trying to level up my Warrior Priest and my KoBS in the T2 lakes. My WP hit renown 18, which allowed me to equip all my lovely purple items I had worked so hard to get. At first I was pretty elated, but that quickly died off.
Switch to my KoBS. Same old, same old of grinding the RvR lakes and arguing with people in warbands on whether or not to hit the keeps when we were only at 70% strength. A somewhat evenly matched encounter with Destro occurred in the Shadowlands and Ellyrion proved to be fun (since I find it rare to find "fair fights" in the RvR lakes), but the Destro zergball showed up a few minutes later and rolled us all the way back to the warcamp, spoiling the fun. Boo-urns.
We did end up defending the keep in Barak Varr for a good 20 minutes before Destro got the picture, turned tail and ran. That was actually quite a bit of fun. And when they came back for a second spanking, I thought it to be still pretty fun though it started to lose it's allure - as a tank, I'd just jump out the front door, hit a few things, and then jump back inside to be healed. Everything else I did though last night felt pretty lackluster.
I don't know - maybe I'm missing something? Maybe I shouldn't be dodging the scenarios? Maybe I shouldn't be a gear s-l-u-t and grind so much for purple items that really don't change my stats all that much? Maybe I shouldn't be ignoring the backstory around the quests I accept? Maybe I shouldn't be so worried about the doom & gloom I read on Warhammer Online forums about T4 and city sieges? Maybe I shouldn't get upset about gold-bag crazy players who constantly insist on keep raids as opposed to defending keeps or taking BO's?
The problem is, if I didn't do all those things I'm not sure what I'd do when I played Warhammer Online. After last night, I felt like I got to the end of my rope... it's not that I hate the game (though there are a lot of things I'd change if I was in charge), it's just that I think I'm having a hard time finding other like-minded players out there, as well as burning out and losing interest. Most of the toons I have leveled up to the mid-teen / early 20's levels are starting to bore me, and I've barely touched the low-level toons I started up the other week (Choppa, Slayer, Archmage, Marauder) because it's so daunting to think of all the effort it's going to take to level them up, even to level 20.
Perhaps I'll give'er hell tonight and maybe on Sunday, but after that I'm not sure if I can keep it up until my originally planed sub-cancellation date of early May. Again, not try to point any fingers or place any blame... just sad to feel like, when it comes to Warhammer Online, I've been washed over by a wave of apathy
Whoops, sorry - this turned into another ridiculously long comment... once I start writing, it just seems to flow! Anyways, hope too many people aren't feeling the same way I am, as I hope if I do make a return to WAR in the future there will still be a good community to come back to.
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Hiryu02 Mar 27, 2009 at 1:56 pm
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The thing is BVD, much more than many other games, your guild really makes a difference in WAR. Without a good solid and active guild, I can totally see the game turning into what you described. I had the same problem when I played Destro in a not-so-active guild. Luckily, Im in a great Order guild, with a good solid core of players, and a strong sense of community. I can't wait to get to T4 and jump in the guild groups that are always out there fighting. We have a rep on our server for fighting to the last man. Even though we are fairly small, people seem to know us.
If this sounds good to you, take some time and try to find a good active guild, and see if that doesn't change your perception of the game.
But I understand, I'd be so much higher in level if I wasn't also trying to keep my renown rank up-to-date.
Hiryu02
GnM
If this sounds good to you, take some time and try to find a good active guild, and see if that doesn't change your perception of the game.
But I understand, I'd be so much higher in level if I wasn't also trying to keep my renown rank up-to-date.
Hiryu02
GnM
BVD Mar 30, 2009 at 9:31 am
+1 votes
Hiryu02 said
The thing is BVD, much more than many other games, your guild really makes a difference in WAR. Without a good solid and active guild, I can totally see the game turning into what you described. I had the same problem when I played Destro in a not-so-active guild. Luckily, Im in a great Order guild, with a good solid core of players, and a strong sense of community. I can't wait to get to T4 and jump in the guild groups that are always out there fighting. We have a rep on our server for fighting to the last man. Even though we are fairly small, people seem to know us.
If this sounds good to you, take some time and try to find a good active guild, and see if that doesn't change your perception of the game.
But I understand, I'd be so much higher in level if I wasn't also trying to keep my renown rank up-to-date.
Hiryu02
GnM
If this sounds good to you, take some time and try to find a good active guild, and see if that doesn't change your perception of the game.
But I understand, I'd be so much higher in level if I wasn't also trying to keep my renown rank up-to-date.
Hiryu02
GnM
I also think I need to seriously consider deleting some of my alts so I don't feel like I have to play them. I can't imagine deleting a single one of my Order toons, save for perhaps my Archmage who's a bit of a bore to play... but with Destro, my Zealot, Marauder and DoK all may have to liquidate their assets, transfer the cash over to my main, and make a trip to the garbage bin...
sharon Mar 27, 2009 at 1:46 pm
+1 votes
Glad you're not quitting on us, Syp. I read your original post the way you clarified here. 
I've noticed something about leveling through the RvR lakes. Sometimes there's a good wave of folks leveling through with you that make it a blast, and sometimes there's a not-so-great wave that make it less fun. Right now, my BW is in T2, and there seems to be a distinct lack of good leadership and a lot of complainers. On the other hand, last night my T3 WH jumped into a warband with one of my favorite leaders and a group of team players that I have great respect for. We had a blast, and some great all-out winning and losing brawls. T2 with my WH had been a blast also, because of the same great people leveling through it with me.
I guess I'm not worried too much about endgame in WAR, admittedly partly because I'm not there yet, and partly because I remember when that apathy existed in vanilla WoW at 60. I'm sure others remember it too... when unless you were raiding, there wasn't much to do besides chat or roll alts.
I've noticed something about leveling through the RvR lakes. Sometimes there's a good wave of folks leveling through with you that make it a blast, and sometimes there's a not-so-great wave that make it less fun. Right now, my BW is in T2, and there seems to be a distinct lack of good leadership and a lot of complainers. On the other hand, last night my T3 WH jumped into a warband with one of my favorite leaders and a group of team players that I have great respect for. We had a blast, and some great all-out winning and losing brawls. T2 with my WH had been a blast also, because of the same great people leveling through it with me.
I guess I'm not worried too much about endgame in WAR, admittedly partly because I'm not there yet, and partly because I remember when that apathy existed in vanilla WoW at 60. I'm sure others remember it too... when unless you were raiding, there wasn't much to do besides chat or roll alts.
Dahras Mar 27, 2009 at 8:15 pm
+1 votes
I must say how hilarious I find this post. Not because of any outright thing, but because it shows the power that Syp has in the community. He posts on a subject, prompts a series of posts by other blogs about their thoughts about his post, and then he has to make a new post to clarify himself. Kind of epic if you ask me.
Rog Mar 28, 2009 at 10:23 am
+1 votes
I'm glad you're still playing. I'm not anymore, but I'm still interested in reading some good non-fanboi-ish news about WAR now and then. =)
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